tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8635427135333425336.post1251623828096498987..comments2024-03-11T08:59:46.846-08:00Comments on FogBlog: Piste-off (Part 2)Herman Sheephousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16187303211437458425noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8635427135333425336.post-56210651300467238272013-05-11T22:45:31.553-08:002013-05-11T22:45:31.553-08:00Thanks Bruce - yeah you've pretty much summed ...Thanks Bruce - yeah you've pretty much summed it up there. The meter is facing the camera, and the reading taken. I then base my Zone placement upon what I think the tones of that subject should equate to. Obviously subjects aren't flat, so actually, I forgot to mention that half-closing your eyes is a good way of understanding the tones that will be rendered. In this case, some bits will fall on Zone VII or higher, some on Zone V and lower. it does seem to work, and at the end of the day, you can always jimmy it around in the darkroom to achieve what you want. I suppose really I could achieve the same thing by taking a spot reading of a highlight and letting everything else run from there, however I have tried doing that for a long time and it hasn't worked as well as this method has for some reason.<br />I used to (pre-spot days) move my meter around a scene in reflected mode and then base the lowest reading I got as a shadow placement. It was hit and miss.<br />Writing this you have forced me to have a think in my Sunday-morning, beer-addled brain, and you know what . . here goes: meter the highlights, and place them on Zones including and higher than V.<br />Does that make sense?<br />PHerman Sheephousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16187303211437458425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8635427135333425336.post-69793054313722027232013-05-11T12:13:11.903-08:002013-05-11T12:13:11.903-08:00Good stuff Phil. I love the caravan shot. The rang...Good stuff Phil. I love the caravan shot. The range of tones you're getting in these is great. I think Omar is maybe suggesting that an incident reading just meters the light falling on the whole subject rather than an individual part of it. You can take a reflected light reading of a specific part of a scene, open up a stop and place it on zone six but you can't do that taking an incident light reading (unless there's some weird spot light effect going on). If you do an incident reading and open up a stop you're placing the whole scene a zone higher than mid-grey with no reference to individual parts. I now you know this but just for anyone else reading.<br />Bruce Robbinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13888340033630703603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8635427135333425336.post-21023617928056404072013-05-11T10:43:29.706-08:002013-05-11T10:43:29.706-08:00Hi Omar -thank you - I really appreciate the comm...Hi Omar -thank you - I really appreciate the comments!<br />yes, basically in Zone terms, take a meter reading of anything, and that will equate to the average reading - in B&W terms that means a mid-grey, or Zone V. <br />Zones below this are darker tones, hence the usual 'place shadows on Zone III', or 2 stops underexposed from that normal reading. <br />Zone VI is one stop over-exposed and is an easy one to remember as it pretty much equates to Caucasian skin, stone and concrete. In this case I took it for the lovely weathered-silvering of the wood.<br />There are plenty of articles on using the Zone system out there - it is a very fine way of seeing things and since I started using it, I have never looked back. <br />PhilHerman Sheephousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16187303211437458425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8635427135333425336.post-43784760901525371052013-05-11T09:53:33.606-08:002013-05-11T09:53:33.606-08:00When I saw last weeks digisnap of the view camera ...When I saw last weeks digisnap of the view camera against the broken gate I wasn't expecting anything as good as the print you've shown here! I am truly surprised.<br /><br />When you say you took an incident reading and placed it on Zone VI, do you mean you overexposed by a stop over the metered value?<br /><br />Thanks for writing up the journey, Phil. It was an enjoyable read.<br /><br />CheersOmar Özenirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09252261199165852443noreply@blogger.com