Friday, February 23, 2024

Bigger, Better, Faster, More!

Morning folks - I hope you are well!
Today's FB has a title that not only quotes an album by 4NonBlondes but also, I think, is at the root of what is currently wrong with photography.
Oh I know, chuck your coffee at the screen, drop your phone down the toilet, etc etc . . I know.

You see, to cut a long story short, megapixels, print size, formats, fps, USAF resolution charts, pixel size, face recognition, blah blah blah, you know, all the bollocks that (apparently) define a current photographer . . it's all, well, mostly, er, bollocks.
That new Sony camera that stops motion blur being a thing? 
What's the point in that? 
Someone dig up Jacques-Henri Lartique and tell him his photos of racing cars were crap.
For that matter, someone tell the ghost of Michael Cooper, that his autosport pictures were crap too. He was a hell of a photographer, with nerves of steel, a Pentax and a steady eye. I met him many years ago (he was a friend of my brothers) - to be honest you've not lived until you've stood with someone like Mike OUTSIDE the crash barriers at Brands Hatch on a F1 day . . . 

Anyway, back to the real meat and potatoes.
My friend and erstwhile blogger, Bruce Robbins of the Online Darkroom, has surprised me recently. Due to an overwhelming amount of 'crap' in his darkroom (OK, he has two dogs . . go figure) he has been unable to print anything. 
Fair enough. 
When life gives you crap, get the doggy poo bag out. 
In this case though, it has been the resurrection of his ancient Nikon D700 - a camera that is nearing prehistoric in digital terms - introduced in 2008; well regarded at the time, but still laughable in today's terms at a mere 12 MP. 
Even my Sony A6000 (which I have no fondness for) is 24MP . . read 'em and weep big boy!

But the thing is, as they said back in 1939, "'T'aint What You Do, It's The Way That You Do It  . . " because, to my eyes, with that and his cheapo Epson printer, he's producing prints that are every bit as good as what I am producing in the darkroom from a set-up that in current terms is around twelve times the price of his! 
Add into that, material costs, and, well, you don't have to be a brain surgeon . . . 


Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,
Yep - full print, borders and all.
Ilford's MGRC 'unusual' size.


Of course that's a gross simplification. I use my set-up because I love it. 
I love the fact that I really am limited to a roll of film. 
I love the fact that I can go and stand in a red room for a few hours and work away. 
I love printing. 
I love photographing with film. BUT, for how much longer can this continue?

I was saddened to hear that Newton Ellis the famous camera repairers in Liverpool will be shutting their doors this year. Wow. There's really not that many people left who can deal with repairing these lovely machines we still lug about. 
Yes, I know electronics can go on 'modern' cameras, but mostly camera electronics are pretty (relatively) reliable. 
Can you find anyone willing to have a go at your beloved Contax II from the 1930's these days? 
NO (or at least not very many who understand that camera). 
It's a big thinking point.

Allied with this, we have the cost of materials - yes I know it is all relative - as longterm reader and FB friend Julian said recently:

As I was a-meandering through my paternal plan chest, I came across a Silverprint catalogue, dated 2002. In it so much stuff we can no longer buy. And Silverprint - whither went they? Sniffs and gazes rheumy-eyed into the distance.

The cost of a 100 sheet box of 8 x 10 Ilford Multigrade IV RC then...
(including VAT @17.5%) is given as £38.04 crossed out, or, to you guv, £27.26.
I think the crossed out price is probably RRP and Silverprint could offer a good discount.

Putting that through the mills of https://iamkate.com/data/uk-inflation/ to compensate for inflation:
We'd expect that to be £82.17 full price, or to you guv £56.88

There's the small matter of VAT now being 20% and I really can't be bothered with the calculation to find out that it adds a couple of quid!

Going into ilfordphoto.com and checking their prices for Multigrade RC, 100 sheets of said paper comes in at £84.09, which is surprisingly close to the crossed out price with a couple of quid for the extra 2.5% VAT. Nowhere near the "to you guv" level sadly.

So basically,  Ilford MGRC is currently probably bang on the money with regard to inflation and so on. BUT, does that make it affordable? 

Well that is hard for me to judge as someone who has come to the end of their 'usable' working life - I don't earn a wage, so I don't know. 
What I do know, is that in pocket money terms, it is a huge consideration.

Bruce pointed out that Ilford Portfolio in postcard size costs me approximately 70+pence per card - that's quite a lot of money; an average session with postcards elicits 12+ images . . a not inconsiderable  amount of money for a morning's work. 
Were I to inkjet them on 'premium' Hanemuehle postcard paper I'd be well under 50p; use a different paper and I would be considerably less. 
It's quite a thought, because with my costs, stack them across the numerous film formats I use and differing paper sizes, chemicals, storage, time (and also the sheer outlay in cameras and lenses) etc, then I really am living up to that term "Luxury Photographer".

Maybe Luxury Photographer, should be replaced with Financial Masochist
And not just financial either as I am about to recount. 
Again that thorn in my side Mr Robbins has shown me a different side.

We recently had a mini-road trip to a setting we've been to before . . however this time is was dreich. And I mean proper Scots Dreich
Misty; damp; warm and cold at the same time; humidity levels through the roof; constant rain - not heavy, but a proper Scots Soaker (believe me, you need to experience it to understand that it is quite different from just 'getting wet').
 
I had the 500 C/M and 40mm Distagon; an A16 back and Panoramic Mask set . . on a tripod . . with my old Gossen Lunasix 3S and a cable release all housed in a giant shoulder bag. 
Fortunately, I had the rain cover from a Think Tank Urban Disguise on hand, for without it, my camera would have melted away to nothing
The large rain covers often supplied with most bags, are not pieces of annoying shite (as I used to think) but actually superb at stretching over a really large camera set-up.
As a counter to this, Bruce had a tripod, his Ona manbag, the D700 and 2 lenses . . . and that was it.

His camera, is a bit weather sealed - not up to modern standards but good enough. 
He didn't seem particularly worried is what I shall say, whereas I was completely paranoid about trying to stay dry. 
As for my stuff . . well, when I got home this is what I had to do:
Lens off then take the camera apart: remove hood; remove Acute Matte; clean water marks off of mirror where the rain had funnelled through; thoroughly dry camera body including removing wind-on crank to remove water which had seeped behind it.
Film back: kitchen towel dry; remove film; remove insert; remove dark slide; pop whole lot in Ziplock bag with silica. 
Lens: kitchen towel off the worst of the moisture; remove hood; filter; dry threads of both; pop lens into large Ziplock bag with silica in it for four days . . . and twiddle thrumbs.
You get the drift. 
And of course the shoulder bag was soaked too with no cover. 
Tripod - saturated, so: set, fully erect in a warmish room for a couple of days . . . 
Finally, reassemble camera and lens only to discover that you've just fired the lens before mounting it on the camera and have encountered for the first time the Hasselblad lock-up.
Look up how to sort it - quite simple really with a good long screwdriver and some care.
Breath at last.
So, nothing short of a pain in the arse really. 
Although his lenses got wet too, I don't think they got quite a soaking as mine did. 
And I bet he didn't have to take his camera apart!

This being said, it was an experience and has given me a number of pointers to situations like that in the future. But at the end of the day I could have brought home the same bacon with his set-up.
That is quite a consideration.

The film was FP4+ developed in Pyrocat-HD. 
I printed the images on 11¾ x 8¼ paper; the image size is 10½ x 5¼". 
They look good and I am happy with them, but like I say, I could have achieved the same with much less
I will say (amazing what experience can teach us) is that the nominal 6x3cm image size of the panoramic mask using this film (and camera) combo, is probably as good as I could have achieved with a 6x12cm back on a view camera. 
Had I been in the same circumstances with just a field camera and a 6x12 back, I simply wouldn't have bothered getting anything out of the bag. It is as simple as that.

Anyway, here's the images.


Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,



Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,



Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,



Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,



Hasselblad 40mm CF/FLE Distagon,Hasselblad 500 C/M,Ilford FP4,Pyrocat HD,Hasselblad Panoramic Adapter,Analog Photography,Analogue Photography,© Phil Rogers,Ilford MGRC Pearl,


Strangely, looking at them as scanned objects make them look better to my weird eyes.
But where does this lead me?
Remember what I said about bollocks up above?
Well, Bruce has proved to me that in modern terms, using something that is, in actual digital terms, as dead as a Dodo (and if you are careful and ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING) then you can produce work that stands up with anything. 
I hope he writes a post about this, because the prints are really good - I was impressed. 

As for l'il ol' me, well, despite the obvious merits and pocket money friendly benefits of squirting (inkjet printing) I shall probably carry on printing with gritted teeth. 
One thing is for certain though. I want to print a fibre-based archive and that means 10 x 8" WILL HAVE TO BE my maximum paper size. 
I simply can't justify paying £95 for a box of 50 sheets of 9.5 x 12". 
Of course if anyone would like to send me some larger fibre paper, I will happily receive it and send you back an archival Sheephouse print of your choice 😄 

As another aside though . . who prints 20 x 16" in fibre these days? 
Its current price is £256 for 50 sheets - that's a fiver a print, plus very quickly exhausted chemicals . . and the sheer space involved to deal with the prints.
If the shitake hits the fan as I think is going to happen, I can imagine that the larger paper sizes will go first.
There really can't be many people doing big ones now . . surely?
But if you are out there (and you're reading this) my hat is tipped to you - you're both brave and masterful (and either professional or quite a bit well-off).

Anyway, that's quite enough from me for another post - if you've been reading for as long as some of you have, Bless You. If you're new to this malarkey, Bless You Too.

I am now off for a haul around town, sporting (wait for it) .  . the Sony A6000 and 16-50mm OSS E kit lens. Bruce said I'd probably get more out of it, if I put as much care into using it as I do with a film camera. 
Personally I can't see it, but we shall see.
The older I get, the more I think, Feck it . .WHY NOT?
Over and Oot.
H xx



11 comments:

  1. I like the last image the most - the composition, the light, and the subject matter. Maybe the Earth will rejoice someday when all of Man's works are pinned to the ground by roots and never allowed to rise again. (I'm feeling a bit grim this evening).
    I only dabble in film and I no longer do my own darkroom printing, but it's painful to see the prices of film, development, and printing. I have three rolls of Kentmere film that I'm hesitant to use because I know it'll cost a lot of money when I get them developed and scanned.
    I was in Seoul this week and I visited a Nikon store to have a look at their fancy new cameras, including the retro-styled Df. I'm sure the image quality is amazing, but I don't like the busy electronic viewfinders and menus on mirrorless cameras. And no new camera has the 5:4 aspect ratio. A deal breaker. I left the shop hugging my heavy D850 and vowing to never give it up. I felt old-fashioned when I was using film in my photography class while everyone else was using digital. Now I feel old-fashioned for using a DSLR when everyone is going Mad for Mirrorless.
    Bruce is right about treating your digital camera like a film camera - it does help a lot. I was in Seoul for three days and used the equivalent of six rolls of film (not including the mistakes I deleted). I saw a boy in the National Museum walk past the displays with his phone camera snapping away on Continuous at about five frames per second. I'm not sure what he's going to get out of that. I hate editing on computer so I put some thought into a photo before pressing the shutter release button.
    I hope you share the photos from your day out on the town.

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    1. I know what you mean Marcus - trogs . . that's what we are. I have no idea what people get out of continuous stuff either, save more power required to destroy the planet.
      The Sony is fine, but it sure requires tweaking and the battery literally lasts a day, which is shite really. It does last longer if you mount an all manual lens on it though, so that is maybe the way for me to go - I did try it today and it was fine - colours were good and it was a breeze to use . . but probably too easy. The kit lens distorts like feckery though, but it was cheap (though very sharp).
      I wonder where things are going . . I can see cameras dying out tbh.

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    2. I also feel dismayed by the recent deluge of articles about AI images wiping out the need for photographers. What's the point of me taking a bus up to Shinheung Temple and making a few photographs when someone can just produce an image on their computer? But, I console myself, the AI only learns from the thousands of nearly identical pictures taken by tourists. It's not going to know all the views and interesting details that I can find by walking around and exploring. And the AI, I think, doesn't have an individual style. Neither the computer nor the person typing in image prompts would be able to make the photos in my blog or this blog post because they are products of our experience and ideas. So, even if stock photography gets taken over by the machines, I don't think that affects amateurs like us.

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    3. Bogus Cormthruster24 February 2024 at 00:35

      Fully agree with you Marcus - now more than ever, individuality is key - I think it is just about time for the Butlerian J***d as mentioned in the first book of Dune.

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    4. I'll get my screwdriver, crowbar, and powerful magnets.

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  2. Hi Phil.
    Several years ago there was an interview with Mirko Böddecker from Adox (it should be on youtube), and he basically said that prices are way too low for sustainable production (basically, a niche product). So I guess these prices are inevitable. It's a pain, but what can you do? Inkjet papers and ink aren't cheap either, as far as I'm aware. So, although the quality might be there with inkjet printing, the cost is probably on a similar level to silvergelatin. I'm speculating...Bruce might have a better feeling for that.
    Have you tried Foma papers? I have no experience with them but they are quite a bit cheaper.

    These prints in your post look great, Phil. Lovely greys.

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    1. Hi Omar - nicer to hear from you and thank you as always for the kind comments. yes, I know it's a niche product, but in my opinion it is in danger of becoming an extinct product - the prices are ridiculous. Over here Foma is on a par price-wise - their 111 fibre is a lovely paper - slightly (only a tiny bit) thinner than MGFB but a wonderful tonal range - you should try it when you get your darkroom set up again. Also, over here, they don't carry the full range of sizes, so I can only get 5x7 and then 9.5 x 12!
      Bruce is tinkering away with his inkjet at the moment and is producing some really lovely prints - if you email him he'll tell you what he is doing - basically it's an older Epson and a software hack - very good indeed. He's a fair bit cheaper doing it his way - obviously if you go for a current 'professional' machine, your cost of inks is nearly as much as some people's mortgages - dreadful.
      For myself, I think I am going to have to cut back my print size again and just standardise on 10x8 . . sigh . .
      Take care.

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  3. I've been thinking a lot about these things lately. In the new place where I am, I wonder whether I should do inkjet printing, at least for some time: try it and learn a few new skills along the way. What really interests me is printing on relatively thin paper, like Hahnemühle rice (100 gsm), or Awagami bamboo (110 gsm). There are even double sided inkjet papers. The idea of all this is to bind them into booklets and albums, potentially with text printed on the same sheets. I've been eyeing a Canon Pro-300 printer, but the ink prices are eye-watering.
    On the other hand, there is a Fujimoto 90M-D enlarger for sale close to where I live and part of me really wants to buy that :)

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    1. Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep8 March 2024 at 11:28

      Hi Anon. - you should contact Bruce at the Online Darkroom - he's been doing a lot of inkjet stuff recently with a fairly obsolete printer and a software hack - the prints look excellent. Just tell him I sent you. The prices they sting you for for inks is shocking to my mind - probably explains why I never went that way. With regrad to the Fujimoto, one thing I would say is make sure you get all the ancilliary stuff with it like negative carriers, AN glass inserts etc etc - what you have to remember with enlargers currently is that manufacturers are few and far between, so you don't want to box yourself into a closed system where it is impossible to get replacement parts. It's a bit like buying a classic car - some have more easily sourced bits than others!

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  4. The previous comment was mine Phil. Sorry, forgot to write my name.

    Cheers,
    Omar

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    1. No probs Omar - wondered if it was you!

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